Question: Again, a question about ascension. Why do, Guru Ma and Lanello not participate in this dispensation through you. I mean, it is only one book from Guru Ma and for me it is like really valuable. I feel like it helps me a lot and maybe they can do more for us and what do you think, what do you feel about this?
Answer from Kim Michaels. This answer was given at the 2025 Holland Conference.
Kim: Well, I think you could just write down the shorter version of the question and submit it and we’ll see if they’ll answer it. My sense is that Guru Ma gave her book, there are a lot of teachings in that book, so she gave that book as a way for people to kind of make the transition from the Summit Lighthouse to this dispensation. And I think if more people had done it, they would probably have had more to say. My sense is that not enough people from the Summit have been willing to listen to what they can say through me and therefore, they are not saying anymore. That is my sense. Why say something for people from that dispensation if they are not willing to listen to it? But that is just my sense of it. I think you should just submit the short version of the question and see if they’ll answer it.
Student remark: The ascended masters have invited us last time in every case to search contact also to other spiritual organizations and work together. That is what I can remember. Going for this conference, I was looking around in Holland, what other spiritual organizations there are. And I found a Summit Lighthouse organization in Holland. Actually, I wanted to call them or write or somehow make contact, but it did not happen. And why did it not happen? Because many other things have happened. I did not make that contact, but it also did not feel I should do it. If I would have done it, I would have had the idea that it is because, well, like my ego would have very much liked that. But it was not clear to me whether it is this one or that one. But next time in Holland, I will have had contact with Summit Lighthouse in Den Haag. I am very curious how they will react.
Kim: Yeah, but all I can say, I obviously do not know how they’ll react, but all I can say about it is they obviously know about me, at least somebody in the Summit Lighthouse organization does, and they do not want to have anything to do with me.
That is a pity.
Kim: No, that is just their choice. I mean, in the sense that you can say, no, but in the sense you can say, after Elisabeth stopped being a messenger, she gave them instructions that she did not want them to be stuck, she wanted them to follow the next messenger.
But the trouble is determining who is the next messenger.? They had to set up some kind of criteria for that. They have something called the elders, and I assume they looked at me, I do not know. Maybe they just decided they were not going to look for another messenger. I do not know what their process is. But I am just saying, their primary objective, the way they see it, must be to preserve the teachings given through Mark and Elisabeth. And that is the choice they made. And, you know, I do not have any opinion about what they should do or not do. I have never, ever had the sense that the masters wanted me to be a messenger for the Summit, or they wanted, that the masters wanted the Summit to acknowledge me as a messenger.
Well, free will.
Kim: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Because free will needs to outplay itself. There were very few students from the I AM movement who were accepted to Summit Lighthouse. Very few.
I do not know how many I AM students are left. Do they attract new people?
Student reaction: Yes, they attract, I was in the I AM movement for Matthew Austin.
Kim: They attract a few people, but not that many, I think, is my impression.
Student reaction: No, no, because Lotus, you know, the messenger Lotus, she told the I AM students before she left her body that she could see in the future that there were only a very few I AM students doing the classes, what they call the classes, the violet flame class, the blue outline, and there would not even be 100% classes. The people with whom I am still in contact with still try to take me into the I AM movement, and they say that I follow, well, I follow a wrong path.
Student remark: In her book Do not drink your own Kool-Aid Elisabeth does explain everything why she attracted these kinds of people and what would have happened.
Kim: Yes this is explained in her book. I do not have any opinion about it. I do not even have any desire that they should recognize me. I mean, because personally I would not want to fit into an existing organization because they would have demands, and you are supposed to be this way or that way. And I want to be free to be an open door for the masters and bring forth whatever they want to bring forth.
Yes, that is why I was in 2017 ready to make the new step into the new dispensation with you. And I asked Saint-Germain to help me. He always said: “I grab you by the hair.” It was a funny explanation. But I was ready to step into a new dispensation, and I felt it because for me, the violet flame did not help me anymore. The blue outline also didn’t help me. And it was such a structure that I did not fit into it anymore.
Kim: Yes, and that is then because you had the attunement with your higher self and you were open. What happens to some of the people, not just in the IAM movement or the Summit Lighthouse or any spiritual organization—they decide with the outer mind: “I have to be loyal to this organization and this guru.” And then they shut off their intuition. If you make a very strong decision with your outer mind: “Oh, this is my path, this is what I am going to follow.”. Then you basically say to your intuition: “I don’t need you because I have decided with my outer mind.”
They are not listening. And if they come across another teaching, they are just basically looking for a way to reject it, a justification for rejecting it. They might read something and then they come across something and think: “Oh, this is different than what was said before. The masters would never say this.” Actually, if you think about it, even in the Summit Lighthouse, it was said that El Morya has this retreat in Darjeeling, India. And he has a very gruff gatekeeper, really rude and nasty and bothering people who come because if they cannot make it past him, they are not ready for what he teaches at his retreat.
Student: Yeah, it is true, because in the I AM movement, you know, you have to follow the dress code and use the right colors, never wear black.
Kim: I would not have not been let in.
Student: And they are very judgmental. I could not understand it really. I could not.
Kim: Yes, but see, that is what happens in an organization like that, where they have decided with the outer mind, they become judgmental of anybody who is not validating their decision. They feel threatened by it. Therefore, they are just looking for ways to reject it. And you know, what can you say? I mean, masters always talk about free will. But what you also can say is, this is actually why the masters start new dispensations. Because in the older ones, people have become too rigid. They become too rigid in their thinking. I would say, based on my experience with the Summit Lighthouse, there were many people who decided: “If I keep studying these teachings and giving my decrees and going to these decree services, I am guaranteed to qualify for my ascension.” And they did not want to look at their psychology. They just want to hold on to that belief. And therefore, they are basically saying to the ascendant masters: “Do not disturb me. I feel I have got it all under control here. Do not come and disturb me and tell me I have to do something different.” And that is fine. I mean, that is the right people have. But what can you do about it? I cannot do anything about it. Because no matter what I would say, they would reject it. I mean, ‘He is, per definition, a false messenger.’
Student: Yeah, that is what they say.
Kim: Yeah, of course. But you know that the I AM movement also said that Bridge to Freedom was a false messenger and Mark and Elizabeth Prophet were false messengers.
Student: But it is amazing to me that they all vote for Trump.
Kim: Do they?
Student: Yes.
Kim: Okay.
Student: It is amazing.
Kim: No, not really, because they have shut down their intuition. How can they read his vibration?
Student: They cannot read the vibration of Trump.
Kim: That is what I am saying. How would you know that the masters have started speaking through me? But basically you have to sense: “Oh, I sense the vibration of the masters. And that is where I want to be.” But if you cannot sense that, you cannot sense Trump’s vibration, for example. You know, you are then evaluating with the outer mind whether you like this policy or that policy. And in the Summit, they were very much against abortion. They say: “Oh, well, he changed the Supreme Court judges so that now they overturned Roe v. Wade. So that means he must be a good guy.” And you know, that is based on the evaluation with the outer mind, not on reading vibration.
Question: Question about the 144,000, which is also in the Bible, in the book of Revelation. Is it a real number or is it symbolic?
I would say it is, as I understand it right now, it is more symbolic than a real number. But there could be something I do not know because the masters have not said it. They talked about the avatars that have come from natural planets, but they have never put a number on it. But I would, as you explain yourself, they had a certain method for coming up with that number, 12 times 12, and then one day for the Lord is like 1,000 days for us, so that was 144,000. That is the kind of human reasoning where you are projecting onto the spiritual realm. It is the same with the angry, judgmental God in the sky. That is also some angry men running around in the desert, projecting their own image onto God.
What the masters have said—Jesus has said through me, there are 10,000 people that have the potential to manifest the Christ consciousness in this lifetime. And there are millions more who can manifest a high degree of it. It was said that there was a time where 144,000 people came from Venus to embody on earth, along with their leader, Sanat Kumara. But this was a long time ago. There are still people in embodiment who came, they did not come physically, you understand, that took embodiment on earth to help raise the earth to a higher level. Was that what you were going to say?
Student: I just wanted to comment that you said that you are aware only that Jesus said about 10,000 people. And I want to say that this number is also in the Bible, in the book of Revelation, in the clouded language, but something about 10,000 in light and white robes that are coming to save the earth or something. I do not remember the exact words, but it was such a talking point. When I found that, I was, wow, surprised.
Kim: Personally, I am not so attached to these numbers because it could change all the time. I mean, they talked about there are avatars coming from natural planets, and there could still be avatars coming from natural planets. Whatever number originally came, it could have changed over time. And how important is it to have a number like that?
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