Question: Recently, you made some comments on the abortion issue that kind of left me in limbo. There is no doubt that an unwanted teenage girl pregnancy can be problematic in so many ways. Politically, it seems that the main focus in discussions and debate have to do with when should an abortion become illegal. I am hoping that you could shed some light on this issue. How do you balance the rights of the newborn with those of the mother-to-be? Guru Ma once said that abortion for her was only acceptable in cases of rape, incest, and if the health of the mother was in serious question. What nuances do you see upon a matter that has for the most part been looked upon as a life and death issue? Looking forward to your clarity on an issue that strongly divides so many people.
Answer from the Ascended Master Mother Mary through Kim Michaels. This answer was given during the 2025 New Year Webinar.
Well, this is a complicated issue. In order to avoid a too long discourse on it, I will focus on a few things here.
First of all, we of the ascended masters do not have a clear unequivocal answer to how various nations should deal with this issue. Because it is something that can be dealt with in different ways. And there needs to be room for democracy to work itself out.
However, what you see traditionally, especially in the United States, is as you point out, that this issue has been very divisive. But the reason why it has been divisive is that people have approached it through black and white thinking primarily. That is why you have these people who insist that this is so important that abortion is outlawed and other people who insist it is equally important that it is allowed.
Exactly when abortion should be legal or illegal is not really the main issue here. The main issue is black and white thinking. Because what black and white thinking does is it takes the entire abortion issue and reduces it to a simple question, a binary question. Should it be illegal or not illegal? And the effect of this, as with all black and white thinking, is that any other aspects of the debate are largely ignored.
And if you can step back from black and white thinking, you can begin to see that this issue is a very complex issue that in a sense is pointing out what democracies must wrestle with. And it is simply this, balancing the rights of different groups of people. But also, that in a democracy, you cannot expect to solve any issue by enacting laws, especially not laws that either outlaw something or allow it. This is not the way you solve problems in a democracy. Because in a democracy, you need to think deeper and you need to look at the bigger issue here. And the bigger issue is what is best for the greatest number of people? What is best for the unborn children? What is best for the mothers or potential mothers, the women who get pregnant? You take a woman, a girl, let’s say, who has grown up in certain parts of the United States, who has gotten a public education, who has been grown up in an environment that, quite frankly, looks down upon women, to a large degree looks at women as sexual objects that should be available for men’s pleasure.
Here is this woman. She does not have a higher education. She lives in a poor area where it is difficult to get jobs for more than minimum wage. She is now exploited by a man, an older man, not necessarily that much older, but somewhat older, and she becomes pregnant. What is her situation and her future prospects? The man might just have exploited her for sex. He has no intention of marrying her and raising the child. She might have to face the situation that she is with a child and she is single. She is alone. If all the jobs she can get are for minimum wage, how is she going to raise a child?
What I am saying is, when you look at this, you see that the black and white abortion debate focuses on the rights of the child to be alive. And completely ignores the situation of the mother and the overall attitude of society to women or the poverty that many people live in. You can also say: “Well, what is actually best for a child? Is it necessarily best for any soul to be born under any circumstances?” I am not giving you an unequivocal answer to these questions. I am saying that these are the questions that are being ignored in the current abortion debate. You have the pro-life people who completely ignore the situation of women, only focusing on the child. But the pro-life movement is actually also ignoring the questions of what is best for the child, because they are only focused on the child should be born—every pregnancy should lead to the birth of a child.
The pro-choice movement is focused on the view that every woman should have a right to terminate any pregnancy if she wants. But they are not really focusing on improving women’s situation in society either. Nor are they focused on improving the situation of children born in poor circumstances, because they are saying all these children should be aborted. You see, neither of these two sides are considering these questions. And that is what needs to be considered.
You will see that there are other democratic nations who have considered these questions, and who have reached an approach where abortion is more readily available. But they have also improved education, improved people’s situation. And the result is that even though abortion is legal, the number of abortions is actually very low because most women do not get an unwanted pregnancy. They avoid it. There are societies where women have much more equality, where they are not looked upon as sexual objects. And therefore, an unwanted pregnancy, it is much more rare than it is in some parts of the United States. And I think everyone, or at least most people, will recognize that a woman has the right to avoid becoming pregnant. She does not have an obligation to become pregnant at the age of sixteen. Therefore, there should be much more focus on helping women avoid becoming pregnant in an unwanted pregnancy thereby, really respecting the woman’s right to choose not to become pregnant, but this of course will result in fewer births. But how can a society force its people to have children? Especially if that society forces many people to live in poverty. What you see is that in the nations that seek to improve the living conditions of people, more people want to have children because they can give them a good secure upbringing.
What I will say here is that if you look back to the past, for example, a previous ascended master dispensation, that was in the age of Pisces. And there were certain considerations that were valid enough in the age of Pisces, but they do not have the same importance as you move into Aquarius. And one of the concerns that was raised back then is that an abortion can abort a child’s Divine plan and it can also hurt the soul of the child. And this is valid enough. But what was not considered back then is that, when abortion becomes legal, naturally, we of the ascended masters are planning for this, so that the soul does not necessarily descend into the fetus until we can see that the pregnancy will be brought to term. This avoids the child being hurt. We can also say that if there is a probability that the woman will have an abortion, then a certain soul is not necessarily even connected to the fetus. Where you take the soul that could have been connected to that fetus, you look for another way for that soul to come into embodiment. What I am saying is that naturally, we are adjusting to situations. There are many, many situations that we need to adjust to when we are seeking to bring children into embodiment. And yes, you can say that every pregnancy represents an opportunity for a child. But I can assure you that there are actually pregnancies where there are not that many children that want to be born into those circumstances. And, especially the more evolved a soul is, the less it is willing to come in, for example, as the child of an alcoholic or drug-addicted mother where it is likely to be neglected.
You could also step back and look at the overall situation of society. Is it best that we have children that are born in these very difficult circumstances where they are almost guaranteed to grow up with severe psychological problems that might lead them to become criminals or to become addicts or to otherwise have difficult psychology that, first of all, is hard for the child. Second of all, it is a burden to society because they end up in prison or in the welfare system or whatever. Or would it be better for society to improve the situation, overcome the poverty, and therefore, have a situation where most pregnancies are wanted pregnancies?
And therefore, if most pregnancies are wanted pregnancies, it sort of becomes immaterial whether abortion is legal or not or how late an abortion can be performed. Naturally, when it comes to the life of the mother, the mother should always have the right to terminate the pregnancy in order to save its own life.
Again, it is a complicated issue. One could write an entire book about it, which I do not intend to do. But I am just trying to give you the sense that there are so many things to consider and that it really goes to the heart of how a democracy can function in a better way. But in order to function in that better way, a democracy must make an effort to accelerate itself beyond black and white thinking or gray thinking so that there is a higher degree of Christ’s discernment. And I know very well that some people from a previous ascended master dispensation will say: “Well, if you have Christ’s discernment, you want abortion to be illegal.” But that is a misunderstanding of what Christ’s discernment really is. Because Christ’s discernment, first of all, wants to raise awareness. It is more focused on raising awareness than specific outer results or conditions.
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