TOPICS: How do you react when a spiritual teaching challenges your beliefs? – all people have some limiting beliefs – you also have limited sense of identity – the spiritual path is about letting go of limited identity and being reborn into spiritual identity – teacher must challenge your limiting beliefs – this website has teachings for a broad range of students – rejecting an entire website based on one teaching – denial about a teaching – cherry-picking, for a time – enabling or empowering people – growth is not a matter of being comfortable – are you willing to ask a question with no desire to have your present beliefs confirmed? – don’t shoot the messenger – transcend the labels people put on themselves – avoid being attached to any issue or label – must uncover the unconscious choices that limit you – finding love beyond human relationships – choosing difficult circumstances in order to learn your lessons – the teacher cannot take a condition away from you – the teacher will not give you special treatment –
Question: Master Jesus, it’s Adam and I have several questions for you. If you could address them I would be grateful.
I am homosexual – at least in this lifetime that has been my sexual orientation. I did not choose this orientation consciously – from my earliest age I have been attracted sexually to my own gender and it feels a true part of who I am, my sexual identity. Your teachings at askrealJesus are usually very loving but when you speak on homosexuality (and your contention it is not of God’s making nor God’s liking) you seem very stern, not very loving.
You mentioned that when an Ascended Being disseminates information through a non-Ascended Being, such as the person you give your information through, the information is not always correct. You cautioned us not to believe everything that comes through a channel, even yours. Is it possible that your information about homosexuality is not correct? That homosexuality is not unnatural and unGodly, as you have purported, but that your information may be a prejudice on behalf of your channel?
I have to say, sadly in my heart, that I find so much of your teachings to ring true but when it comes to those on homosexuality (and your lack of compassion thereof) my heart gets so heavy. You seem to have so much caring for people going through most human situations but when it comes those of us who are gay you seem to have little kindness except to say we are out of balance and it’s against God’s will and we need to leave it behind. You have used words like perversion and said that gay people should only be permitted to express their love behind closed doors – these are terms people use to justify hatred and discrimination against gay people.
On a conscious level the gay people I know (including myself) did not choose to be gay – we only know that this is how we love and we don’t mean to harm anyone. What are gay people supposed to do? Live alone in loveless lives because being gay is against God’s will? As you doubtless know, many people have prayed to you to have their homosexuality taken away, or have gone to ‘conversion’ therapy with no avail. Could it be on this topic you are mistaken? I am asking these questions with all due respect and love in my heart for you Jesus, whom I feel close to.
Answer from ascended master Jesus through Kim Michaels:
My beloved brother, I honor you for writing and bringing your concerns out in the open. I thank you for giving me the opportunity to comment on a topic that has a wide-ranging consequences for how anyone, not just homosexuals, respond to this website. Your letter raises many issues, but let me attempt to focus on the most important ones. To get started, let us look at your words:
“I have to say, sadly in my heart, that I find so much of your teachings to ring true but when it comes to those on homosexuality (and your lack of compassion thereof) my heart gets so heavy.”
These words raise an issue that is essential for a large percentage of the people who find this website. Your words reveal that you have recognized that there is truth on this website. Your words also reveal that you have found some teachings on this website that you cannot currently accept. I can assure you that you are not alone in this experience. Obviously, this is not confined to the topic of homosexuality but to a wide range of topics. The question now becomes how you deal with this situation?
As a beginning, let me ask you to consider the situation from my perspective. I have asked a person to create this website for the specific purpose of bringing forth spiritual teachings that can help people attain a higher understanding. The ultimate goal is to inspire people to anchor themselves on the spiritual path that will gradually lead them to the full Christ consciousness that I demonstrated 2,000 years ago.
As I explain throughout this website, most people on this planet are trapped in a lower state of consciousness in which many of their beliefs and viewpoints are affected or dominated by relative ideas that spring from the dualistic mind. In other words, most people have been brought up with a set of beliefs and ideas that are out of alignment with the truth and the reality of God. This has caused most people to build a sense of identity as being limited, mortal human beings. This sense of identity is out of alignment with the reality of God, namely that every lifestream is a spiritual being with the potential to win immortal life through the Christ consciousness.
My role as a spiritual teacher, and indeed the purpose for this website, is to help people go through a transformation in consciousness. This is first and foremost a transformation of people’s sense of identity, so that they grow out of the limited sense of identity as being mortal human beings and gradually come to accept a new sense of identity as being immortal spiritual beings. This then is the goal. Everything on this website is designed to help the greatest possible number of people attain that growth, that transformation of identity.
Please take note of the basic mechanism involved. To attain a true sense of identity, you must let go of the limited sense of identity you currently have. This means that you must let go of the ideas and beliefs that make up your limited sense of identity. How can I help you change your sense of identity? I must help you see beyond the limited beliefs that make up your current sense of identity. To do that, I must speak the truth, even if it is in opposition to your current beliefs.
I cannot help you build a true sense of identity by affirming beliefs that are out of alignment with the truth and the reality of God. This simply is not possible. If you are to become a Christed being, you must let go of every aspect of your sense of identity that is out of alignment with the truth of God. There are no exceptions to this. It is not possible to take a false belief with you into the kingdom of heaven. That is why I said that he who is willing to lose his life – meaning his mortal sense of identity – for my sake – for the sake of attaining Christ consciousness – shall find it, meaning that he or she shall find immortal life in the Christ consciousness.
I now ask you to consider that this website is available to every human being on this planet with access to a computer. If you take a quick look at humanity, it should not be difficult to see that people are at many different levels of consciousness. Therefore, many of the people who find this website do not have the same background or the same beliefs that you have. My point is that this website was not made specifically for you or for people who share your background and your beliefs. I am attempting to reach out to the greatest possible number of people, and I am simply asking you to respect the fact that in order to reach the greatest number of people I cannot tailor the teachings on this website to your personal beliefs or what makes you feel comfortable.
Do you see my point? I am not asking you to agree with everything on this website. I am asking you to respect the fact that what might seem uncomfortable or offensive to you could still be at teaching that will help another lifestream let go of an illusion and rise to a higher level on the spiritual path. Should I abstain from helping that other lifestream in order to avoid making you feel uncomfortable, or are you willing to let me speak the truth that will help another, even if it does make you feel uncomfortable?
Now let me take this to another level. It should not be difficult to see that I seek to inspire people to anchor themselves on the spiritual path that leads you from your current state of consciousness to the Christ consciousness. I consistently portray this as a gradual path that consists of many stages and many individual steps. This is most clearly expressed in my discourse on the levels of spiritual development.
The people who find this website are at different levels of the spiritual path. Right now, you are at a particular level on your personal path. You are facing certain tests, certain initiations, and to pass them you need a certain spiritual teaching. Once you go beyond this level, you will face other tests and other initiations and you will need a higher teaching. This is compatible to what you see in the educational systems of the world. You do not teach advanced algebra to students in kindergarten. You take a gradual approach, and my point is that a kindergarten student is not ready to deal with the knowledge that will be released at the college level.
On this website I am trying to release teachings for a broad range of students. I realize that there are many people in the world, especially many orthodox Christians, who will not be able to accept the basic idea of this website or many of the individual teachings found on it. They are simply not at a level of their personal path where I can reach them through this website. I also realize that there are certain students that have passed beyond the teachings I am releasing on this website. So I am not trying to reach everyone, but I am trying to reach a relatively broad spectrum. My point is that there are certain teachings on this website that some people might not be ready for. The consequence is that many people find some teachings that ring true in their hearts but they find other teachings that they simply cannot deal with at their current level of consciousness. So once again, how do you handle that situation?
The most immature response is that people take the one teaching that they cannot deal with and use it as an excuse for rejecting everything else found on this website. Many orthodox Christians, especially fundamentalist Christians, immediately fall into this pattern when they find this website. A much more mature response is to realize that at your current level of the spiritual path, you don’t have to deal with that particular teaching. In other words, you don’t need to make a decision with your outer mind concerning whether you should accept or reject the teaching. Instead, you can decide not to make a decision about the teaching. You can put it on the shelf and continue to walk your personal path until at some future time you feel an inner prompting to take the teaching off the shelf.
This is a perfectly legitimate approach. You simply recognize the fact that the spiritual path is a gradual process and that there are ideas that you don’t need to deal with at your current level. So you put them on the shelf until some future time when you are ready. While this is a valid approach, it is only legitimate up to a point. You need to be aware that there is a fine line between putting something on the shelf and going into denial about the necessity to consider the teaching.
In other words, if you are in the third grade, you can go into the school library and find a book on math for the senior year of high school. Obviously, you are not ready to read that book. Nevertheless, if you get to senior year of high school and still refuse to read the book, then you will limit your education and possibly flunk the exam.
Let me now return to your words. You say that you have found many teachings on this website that ring true in your heart. I encourage you to continue to study the teachings that you can deal with. If you cannot currently deal with my teachings on homosexuality, then it might be legitimate for you to put them aside for now. Yet be aware of the fact that at some point in the future you will need to consider them again. In the meantime, let me recommend that you read a book entitled Putting on the Mind of Christ, written by Jim Marion. He deals with the topic of homosexuality in a way that might be helpful to you. I am not saying that his conclusions represent the final word on this topic. I am saying they might help you to move toward a greater understanding.
Let me also mention that this website is meant to inspire people to close the circle and enter into a more direct relationship with me as their spiritual teacher. This is an inner relationship, where you work with me independently of this website. Yet the main requirement for entering this personal relationship is that you must come to a point where you are willing to consider my teachings even if they go beyond or contradict your current beliefs. If you are not willing to let me challenge your current beliefs, you are not ready for this closer relationship.
Please don’t misunderstand this. It is perfectly acceptable for you to come to this website and “cherry-pick,” meaning that you study the teachings that appeal to you and ignore others. Yet if you desire a closer personal relationship with me, you must be willing to let me challenge any of your current beliefs. I am not hereby saying that you have to let go of all of your current beliefs (at least not at once). I am saying you must be willing to let go of any of those beliefs as you get direction from within. If you have a belief that you are not willing to have challenged, then you are simply not ready for this personal relationship with me. I will then patiently wait until you are ready, but be aware that no lifestream has forever to come home.
Let me now comment on some of your other remarks.
“Your teachings at askrealJesus are usually very loving but when you speak on homosexuality (and your contention it is not of God’s making nor God’s liking) you seem very stern, not very loving.”
I recommend that you talk to some psychologists, social workers or other therapists. Most of these people have, through their daily work, realized the fundamental difference between enabling people and empowering people. When you enable people, you are not challenging them or making them feel uncomfortable. You are basically giving them human sympathy which makes them feel justified in remaining in their current situation and state of consciousness. In other words, you are giving them an excuse for not changing. When you empower people, you might have to be somewhat stern in order to challenge their current beliefs and make them see the need for change. Yet this is often the only way to help people grow. In other words, if you give people the slightest excuse for not growing, many of them will take it.
If you will read my answer to the question raised by a person who had an abortion, you might realize a profound truth. This person has clearly seen that her previous decision was not the highest possible. She has clearly admitted her mistake and has made the choice to leave it behind. Therefore, I can express great love toward her without running the risk that she will misinterpret my love and use it as an excuse for not changing.
Once again, my goal for this website is to help lifestreams grow. In order to help you grow, I must help you abandon your incorrect or incomplete beliefs. If you feel emotionally attached to some of those beliefs, then I might have to challenge your beliefs even if it makes you feel uncomfortable. My goal for this website is not to make you feel comfortable. My goal is to help you grow. If this requires me to challenge your beliefs and make you feel uncomfortable, then I am perfectly willing to do that, as I was perfectly willing to challenge the scribes and the Pharisees 2,000 years ago.
So I will be stern on this topic until you reach the conclusion that you are willing to grow beyond your current sense of identity. However, I think an honest evaluation will show that I am often stern and that my sternness is not limited to or targeted at homosexuals.
“You mentioned that when an Ascended Being disseminates information through a non-Ascended Being, such as the person you give your information through, the information is not always correct. You cautioned us not to believe everything that comes through a channel, even yours. Is it possible that your information about homosexuality is not correct? That homosexuality is not unnatural and unGodly, as you have purported, but that your information may be a prejudice on behalf of your channel?”
I cautioned you not to believe everything that comes through any source outside yourself—outside your Christ self. However, your own dualistic mind, your own ego, is also a source that is outside of your Christ self.
Have you made the effort to attain contact with your Christ self and have you asked your Christ self to give you the truth about homosexuality? Have you asked this question with an open mind and heart and a willingness to accept any answer that might come to you? If you have not asked the question, then ask yourself why! If you have not asked the question with a willingness to accept any answer, instead of a desire to have the confirmation of what your outer mind wants to believe, then ask yourself why!
Let me state this very clearly. If you are reluctant to ask a question, or if you ask a question but want a specific answer, it demonstrates that you have an emotional attachment to the topic. That attachment will inevitably slow down your spiritual growth. The path is a process of gradually overcoming all such attachments until you are completely open to the truth of God. There can be only one reason for such an attachment. The reason is that you are not currently willing or ready to hear the truth about this matter. Therefore, you simply want to hear only what confirms your outer beliefs.
It is always legitimate to consider the validity of any channel or messenger. One of the considerations should be whether the messenger has an emotional attachment or bias concerning a particular topic. I completely agree with you that if Kim had a bias or emotional attachment concerning homosexuality, it would be quite possible that a message he received on that topic could be colored by his bias.
However, I must tell you in all fairness that he has no such bias. I am using him as a messenger precisely because he has been willing to let go of all of his emotional biases, and for the past 25 years he has shown a consistent commitment to letting go of his preconceived opinions and always reach for a higher understanding. If you would decide to adopt that same approach to life, you would see that your current attitude to and beliefs about homosexuality would be greatly expanded. This would not be something that was forced upon you from without; it would come from within yourself, from within in your Christ self.
In the New Testament I have a parable about those who see the mote in the eyes of another and do not see the beam in their own eye. So when you look at my messenger, it is legitimate to consider whether he has a particular bias concerning homosexuality. Yet you should be willing to look in the mirror and consider whether you have a bias concerning homosexuality. In other words, are you willing to consider that it might be your bias concerning homosexuality that makes you feel that my remarks about the topic are unloving? Could it be your bias that makes you doubt that my messenger received a correct message?
I would also ask you to give me a little bit of credit as a spiritual teacher. I am quite aware of the potential that a messenger can color the message. Therefore, if I knew that Kim was biased concerning homosexuality, I simply would not use him as a messenger on that topic. I inspired him to ask me questions about this topic because I wanted to comment on it. And I knew I could give a teaching through him that would not be affected by any particular bias on his part.
I would also ask you to consider why God made human bodies of two different sexes? He obviously did so because he wants humanity to survive, and that means people must be able to produce offspring. The key to the survival of any species is to produce offspring, and it is a fact of life that offspring can be produced only through a heterosexual union. Is it really that difficult to see that since a homosexual union cannot produce offspring, it cannot be completely natural?
“You seem to have so much caring for people going through most human situations but when it comes those of us who are gay you seem to have little kindness except to say we are out of balance and it’s against God’s will and we need to leave it behind.”
If you will read the original discussion on homosexuality, and try to read it without any particular bias, you might discover that I am actually stating that almost every human being has some kind of imbalance that needs to be left behind. The simple fact is that almost every human being on this planet is trapped in a limited sense of identity, and that sense of identity must go before you can enter the kingdom of God. Christ consciousness means that you have attained a true sense of identity as a son or daughter of God.
So my question to you is, “How do you see yourself?” Do you see yourself as a homosexual, or do you see yourself as a son of God? Your letter seems to indicate that you are still trapped in a sense of identity according to which the topic of homosexuality is more important to you than the topic of Christhood. I must tell you that this sense of identity is not your highest potential.
You have the potential to rise to a true sense of identity in which you recognize that you are a son of God. When you rise to that sense of identity, all of the outer, human labels that you might have previously put upon yourself will gradually fade away until you see the inner reality of who you are as a spiritual being. Homosexuality is simply one among numerous labels that people put upon themselves. During the process of growing toward Christhood, those labels must fade away until they become insignificant and do not distort your sense of identity.
There are many spiritual seekers who express their sexuality without allowing their sexuality to define them and their sense of identity. For example, many spiritual seekers do not define themselves as heterosexuals. Their sexuality simply isn’t an issue for them.
My concern is that you walk the spiritual path toward Christhood. There are indeed people who have walked that path while acknowledging their homosexuality. I have no problem with that, as long as they do not allow their homosexuality to hold them back on the spiritual path. And as long as they are willing to transcend their homosexuality if that is indeed what comes to them from within themselves.
The problem I see is that so many homosexuals have become obsessed with their homosexuality and with the need to have other people and society recognize their homosexuality as normal and natural. Therefore, getting recognition for their homosexuality has become more important to them than walking the spiritual path. My friend, this simply will not speed up your spiritual growth. It will slow down or even abort that spiritual growth.
By the way, this is not limited to homosexuality. Many other people have become so attached to a particular outer label that they let it come between them and spiritual growth. As just one example, many very sincere people have labeled themselves as fundamentalist Christians and believe it is more important to convert the rest of the world to fundamentalist Christianity than to walk their personal path toward Christhood. They use a man-made image of me as an excuse for accepting a limited sense of identity as mortal beings who could not possibly do what I did.
As I explained in an important discourse, anything can become a trap for your mind and prevent you from walking the path. My desire is to see you escape all of the traps that are defined by the relative labels that spring from the dualistic mind.
“You have used words like perversion and said that gay people should only be permitted to express their love behind closed doors – these are terms people use to justify hatred and discrimination against gay people.”
I used the word perversion specifically to refer to those people who are sexual predators and who are fighting to have homosexuality recognized by society out of their insatiable desire to be able to exercise their sexual predation without any restrictions. I am assuming you recognize that as there are heterosexual predators, there are also homosexual predators. I assume you do not condone such sexual predation, regardless of the sexual orientation?
I have not stated that people should be permitted to express their love only behind closed doors. I said that ideally a society should not recognize the legality of homosexual marriage nor should it outlaw homosexuality. I also said that a society should not invade the privacy of people’s homes as long as what was occurring there happened between consenting adults and did not break any laws.
I have to say that I find it difficult to understand how someone can read all of my remarks about homosexuality and conclude that I am encouraging hatred and discrimination.
“On a conscious level the gay people I know (including myself) did not choose to be gay – we only know that this is how we love and we don’t mean to harm anyone. What are gay people supposed to do? Live alone in loveless lives because being gay is against God’s will?”
As I explained in the discussion about the cause of homosexuality, I am well aware that few people have consciously chosen their current limitations. Yet my role as a spiritual teacher is to help you see beyond your current level of consciousness and to help you see that it is possible to attain the Christ consciousness. I seek to reconnect you to the unconscious reality known by your lifestream.
I would like to see every human being walk the spiritual path toward personal Christhood. If you currently feel a need to express your homosexual tendencies, then do so in a responsible manner and in a committed relationship. Yet be open to the possibility that at some point on your spiritual path it might be necessary to leave behind certain aspects of your current sense of identity, including your tendency to define yourself as a homosexual.
I must, however, tell you in all honesty that your remark here is a typical expression of the black-and-white viewpoints that spring from the dualistic mind. You seem to think that if you have defined yourself as a homosexual and if you cannot express that homosexuality, then your only option is to live a loveless life. I beg to differ.
Over the past 2,000 years, many monks and nuns in the Christian religion have decided to live a life of celibacy. Yet for many of these people, their lives have not been without love. They have instead discovered an inner relationship with me and with their Christ self, which has filled their lives with a love that is far beyond what any human love could possibly offer.
Obviously, you can also find people in many other religious traditions who have chosen a celibate life and have discovered a true spiritual love. Some of these people were heterosexuals, and some were homosexuals. Nevertheless, the point is that celibacy is not the same as living a loveless life. It can indeed be the doorway to discovering a deeper and more spiritual love than what is experienced by most of the people who live in a physical relationship.
It is not my role as a spiritual teacher to tell you what choices to make. It is my role to present you with the best possible understanding of the options you have and the consequences of those options. Your remark above shows a lack of true understand of the options you have in life. I encourage you to make a serious effort to transcend that limited understanding and discover the inner world of spiritual love.
“As you doubtless know, many people have prayed to you to have their homosexuality taken away, or have gone to ‘conversion’ therapy with no avail. Could it be on this topic you are mistaken?”
In my discussion on the spiritual cause of homosexuality I explain that many people have chosen to embody in a physical body with homosexual tendencies in order to help their lifestreams resolve the imbalance between the feminine and masculine aspects. The reality of this situation is that the lifestream wants to confront its imbalance and consciously work through it. In other words, the lifestream wants to consciously learn a lesson.
For such lifestreams it does no good to pray to me or God to take away their homosexuality. If I did so, it would violate the free will choices that are made at the deeper level of the lifestream. It is true that your conscious mind might not be aware of these choices, but you do have the option to sharpen your intuition and attain greater contact with your Christ self, whereby you will become aware of these deeper choices. You also have the option to pray for understanding of how to resolve and transcend your homosexuality. If you will listen with an open mind and heart, you will indeed receive answers to such a prayer. And you can find some of those answers on this website.
What I am saying here is that I cannot take the homosexuality – or any other condition – away from anyone. You must work through it consciously and do the sometimes difficult, hard and uncomfortable work of resolving the hang-ups in your psychology. This is indeed what many lifestreams chose to do before they came into embodiment. Yet because they have grown up in a culture that does not give them a thorough understanding of the spiritual side of life, many lifestreams do not see the need for spiritual growth. That is one reason I created this website, so I can hopefully help lifestreams realize that every aspect of their lives is an opportunity for spiritual growth.
Any kind of therapy you engage in should have the goal of giving you true inner resolution. In that respect, the therapy that is offered by most Christian churches is inadequate. You cannot create an effective therapy based on the premise that homosexuals need to be converted into heterosexuals. You can only create an effective therapy based on the premise that a lifestream needs to consciously uncover and resolve its imbalances so that it can move beyond the outer labels that cause it to see itself as a homosexual (or any other human label).
In other words, the premise of the therapy must be to help the lifestream attain Christhood. Obviously, there are currently very few Christian churches that would be able to see beyond their orthodoxy and create such a therapy. This is something I hope to change, and I hope the teachings on this website can make a contribution to this process of change.
Copyright © 2004 by Kim Michaels